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thomblas2051
Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
adwhartonmd232
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc
PLEASE
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daniel039209
I am not sure he reads this page or for that matter gives much of a hoot. That bearish trendine mashup will go on and on
And I have problem with projection; most are higher with scattered downside in same stock/ index. He does so much work to get the market to fit in HIS perma bearish state . Does he look at the futures before he does his tap dance ?
daniel039209
Bears always sound so “smart” with “ this time is just like that time” and “ stocks can’t be worth more than X, because it’s overvalued by a lot”. Peter did same thing all way up in 2021. Until rates when up and the fluff of COVID boost ended. He will be bearish until the market makers high after high and one day it will drop and his work will have had nothing to do with it. If one says “ we r going down” for 3 years plus, one day we will go down. Congratulations on all your hours of showing the lows of 1982 and 2009. We are 100% higher than bearish growls started- hey Peter- how many puts do you have right
Peter Eliades
Moderator
thomblas2051 said:
Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
Fabricated topic, eh? WOW! I do work and come up with patterns that no one else sees and they turn out to be "fabricated". :)>adwhartonmd232 said:
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc
PLEASE
Jesu kristo almighty, I take the time to go over a fabulous pattern that no one is aware of that fits in with all the other fabulous patterns and I get accused of 25 minutes of repetition. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time and everyone else's around here!!
rafe.thrasher5229
Hi Peter,
Please do not be discouraged by those that post here each chat only to complain. I do not use the projection but assume from listening that there is a tool that you provide that can be utilized for those who desire. I am posting because I want you to know that there are people who appreciate your work and can see the natural world at work as you do. I purchased a book that I am sure that you are familiar with titled, “The Spiral Calendar”. If you have not read it, I am certain that you would appreciate it immensely.
Respectfully,
Rafe Thrasher
vincent.chan5198
Peter please do stay with us. The patterns and projections are invaluable.
XXSPOWER127
Peter Eliades said:
thomblas2051 said:
Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
Fabricated topic, eh? WOW! I do work and come up with patterns that no one else sees and they turn out to be "fabricated". :)>adwhartonmd232 said:
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc
PLEASE
Jesu kristo almighty, I take the time to go over a fabulous pattern that no one is aware of that fits in with all the other fabulous patterns and I get accused of 25 minutes of repetition. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time and everyone else's around here!!
Wow! HE ANSWERED
AMAZING
REMARKABLE
No one else sees???
Go on X and Facebook there are a BAZILLION people talking about the 100 yr trendline and you act like its so
You never look at projections which is what your service is built on
You do these rando things like 28 days and up up down and 1969 2011 and the vix has never done this before so it should
and DO I THINK IT WILL GET THERE...
How about
/NQ 10 WEEK OFFSET?
/NQ Matching Monthly
/NQ Lower Time frame 91/104 (*) look at that projection on a daily 100% of the time
then you have
/ES 24.2 / 27.6
/ES 3 DAY Matches
You never even 1 time LOOK at monthly
YOU KNOW HOW you been talking about CHAT GPT well I asked CHAT GPT ABOUT WHAT U been doing and this is what the ROBOT SAID:::::::::
Exactly — comparing the 1929 Dow to the 2025 Dow Trendline chart is shaky for a few big reasons:
Different companies = different economic exposure
In 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was made up of 30 companies that mostly reflected industrial manufacturing, railroads, and raw materials.
In 2025, the Dow is heavy on tech, healthcare, and global consumer brands, many of which didn’t exist in 1929.
This changes the risk profile, earnings drivers, and volatility of the index entirely.
Survivorship bias
The Dow is price-weighted and the components change over time.
Companies that failed or shrank (think Bethlehem Steel, Woolworth, Eastman Kodak) are gone, replaced by high-growth firms like Apple, Microsoft, and Salesforce.
That means the modern Dow “inherits” the winners, while the losers vanish from the chart — which wasn’t true in 1929.
Price weighting vs. market cap weighting
The Dow still uses price-weighting, meaning a $400 stock moves the index more than a $40 stock, even if the $40 stock has a much larger market cap.
In 1929, the high-priced industrials dominated; today,
companies like UnitedHealth or Goldman Sachs can disproportionately sway the index —
not an apples-to-apples setup.
Inflation & currency value distortion
A “trendline” that spans nearly a century ignores the fact that the U.S. dollar has lost ~93% of its purchasing power since 1929.
Nominal prices may look higher, but real returns and economic conditions are vastly different.
Structural market differences
1929: Gold standard, minimal regulation, no circuit breakers, and limited retail participation.
2025: Floating currency, massive central bank intervention, complex derivatives markets, high-frequency trading, ETFs, and global capital flows.
These factors alter how “tops” form and correct.
Arbitrary trendlines
Drawing a straight line across a century assumes growth follows a fixed linear or log-linear slope.
In reality, market cycles are driven by different forces in different eras — a line that fit 1929-1950 data may be meaningless for 1980-2025.
💡 Bottom line:
A 1929-vs-2025 straight trendline chart is a bit like comparing Babe Ruth’s batting average to Shohei Ohtani’s home run stats without adjusting for league rules, equipment, pitching styles, and even the ball itself — the game looks the same on paper, but it’s not the same game.
Oooopaaaa
Peter Eliades
Moderator
XXSPOWER127 said:
Peter Eliades said:
thomblas2051 said:
Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
Fabricated topic, eh? WOW! I do work and come up with patterns that no one else sees and they turn out to be "fabricated". :)>adwhartonmd232 said:
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc
PLEASE
Jesu kristo almighty, I take the time to go over a fabulous pattern that no one is aware of that fits in with all the other fabulous patterns and I get accused of 25 minutes of repetition. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time and everyone else's around here!!
Wow! HE ANSWERED
AMAZING
REMARKABLE
No one else sees???
Go on X and Facebook there are a BAZILLION people talking about the 100 yr trendline and you act like its so
You never look at projections which is what your service is built on
You do these rando things like 28 days and up up down and 1969 2011 and the vix has never done this before so it should
and DO I THINK IT WILL GET THERE...
How about
/NQ 10 WEEK OFFSET?
/NQ Matching Monthly
/NQ Lower Time frame 91/104 (*) look at that projection on a daily 100% of the time
then you have
/ES 24.2 / 27.6
/ES 3 DAY Matches
You never even 1 time LOOK at monthly
YOU KNOW HOW you been talking about CHAT GPT well I asked CHAT GPT ABOUT WHAT U been doing and this is what the ROBOT SAID:::::::::
Exactly — comparing the 1929 Dow to the 2025 Dow Trendline chart is shaky for a few big reasons:
Different companies = different economic exposure
In 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was made up of 30 companies that mostly reflected industrial manufacturing, railroads, and raw materials.
In 2025, the Dow is heavy on tech, healthcare, and global consumer brands, many of which didn’t exist in 1929.
This changes the risk profile, earnings drivers, and volatility of the index entirely.
Survivorship bias
The Dow is price-weighted and the components change over time.
Companies that failed or shrank (think Bethlehem Steel, Woolworth, Eastman Kodak) are gone, replaced by high-growth firms like Apple, Microsoft, and Salesforce.
That means the modern Dow “inherits” the winners, while the losers vanish from the chart — which wasn’t true in 1929.
Price weighting vs. market cap weighting
The Dow still uses price-weighting, meaning a $400 stock moves the index more than a $40 stock, even if the $40 stock has a much larger market cap.
In 1929, the high-priced industrials dominated; today,
companies like UnitedHealth or Goldman Sachs can disproportionately sway the index —
not an apples-to-apples setup.
Inflation & currency value distortion
A “trendline” that spans nearly a century ignores the fact that the U.S. dollar has lost ~93% of its purchasing power since 1929.
Nominal prices may look higher, but real returns and economic conditions are vastly different.
Structural market differences
1929: Gold standard, minimal regulation, no circuit breakers, and limited retail participation.
2025: Floating currency, massive central bank intervention, complex derivatives markets, high-frequency trading, ETFs, and global capital flows.
These factors alter how “tops” form and correct.
Arbitrary trendlines
Drawing a straight line across a century assumes growth follows a fixed linear or log-linear slope.
In reality, market cycles are driven by different forces in different eras — a line that fit 1929-1950 data may be meaningless for 1980-2025.
💡 Bottom line:
A 1929-vs-2025 straight trendline chart is a bit like comparing Babe Ruth’s batting average to Shohei Ohtani’s home run stats without adjusting for league rules, equipment, pitching styles, and even the ball itself — the game looks the same on paper, but it’s not the same game.
Oooopaaaa
Start your own commentary, please. Your comments are infantile and not very articulate...but they are DRAMATIC!!!
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Peter Eliades
Moderator
XXSPOWER127 said:
Peter Eliades said:
thomblas2051 said:
Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
Fabricated topic, eh? WOW! I do work and come up with patterns that no one else sees and they turn out to be "fabricated". :)>adwhartonmd232 said:
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc
PLEASE
Jesu kristo almighty, I take the time to go over a fabulous pattern that no one is aware of that fits in with all the other fabulous patterns and I get accused of 25 minutes of repetition. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time and everyone else's around here!!
Wow! HE ANSWERED
AMAZING
REMARKABLE
No one else sees???
Go on X and Facebook there are a BAZILLION people talking about the 100 yr trendline and you act like its so
You never look at projections which is what your service is built on
You do these rando things like 28 days and up up down and 1969 2011 and the vix has never done this before so it should
and DO I THINK IT WILL GET THERE...
How about
/NQ 10 WEEK OFFSET?
/NQ Matching Monthly
/NQ Lower Time frame 91/104 (*) look at that projection on a daily 100% of the time
then you have
/ES 24.2 / 27.6
/ES 3 DAY Matches
You never even 1 time LOOK at monthly
YOU KNOW HOW you been talking about CHAT GPT well I asked CHAT GPT ABOUT WHAT U been doing and this is what the ROBOT SAID:::::::::
Exactly — comparing the 1929 Dow to the 2025 Dow Trendline chart is shaky for a few big reasons:
Different companies = different economic exposure
In 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was made up of 30 companies that mostly reflected industrial manufacturing, railroads, and raw materials.
In 2025, the Dow is heavy on tech, healthcare, and global consumer brands, many of which didn’t exist in 1929.
This changes the risk profile, earnings drivers, and volatility of the index entirely.
Survivorship bias
The Dow is price-weighted and the components change over time.
Companies that failed or shrank (think Bethlehem Steel, Woolworth, Eastman Kodak) are gone, replaced by high-growth firms like Apple, Microsoft, and Salesforce.
That means the modern Dow “inherits” the winners, while the losers vanish from the chart — which wasn’t true in 1929.
Price weighting vs. market cap weighting
The Dow still uses price-weighting, meaning a $400 stock moves the index more than a $40 stock, even if the $40 stock has a much larger market cap.
In 1929, the high-priced industrials dominated; today,
companies like UnitedHealth or Goldman Sachs can disproportionately sway the index —
not an apples-to-apples setup.
Inflation & currency value distortion
A “trendline” that spans nearly a century ignores the fact that the U.S. dollar has lost ~93% of its purchasing power since 1929.
Nominal prices may look higher, but real returns and economic conditions are vastly different.
Structural market differences
1929: Gold standard, minimal regulation, no circuit breakers, and limited retail participation.
2025: Floating currency, massive central bank intervention, complex derivatives markets, high-frequency trading, ETFs, and global capital flows.
These factors alter how “tops” form and correct.
Arbitrary trendlines
Drawing a straight line across a century assumes growth follows a fixed linear or log-linear slope.
In reality, market cycles are driven by different forces in different eras — a line that fit 1929-1950 data may be meaningless for 1980-2025.
💡 Bottom line:
A 1929-vs-2025 straight trendline chart is a bit like comparing Babe Ruth’s batting average to Shohei Ohtani’s home run stats without adjusting for league rules, equipment, pitching styles, and even the ball itself — the game looks the same on paper, but it’s not the same game.
Oooopaaaa
Yes, I did answer and my only response to you as to the bazillions of similar comments online is to seek out the origins and ask them where they got their patterns. I recognize at least two as subscribers or former subscribers. Grow up and stay away from your pejorative comments. If you dislike the updates and their value, simply go away. Thank you!
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Projections please! This 25 min update focus on only one fabricated topic
Again Peter 25 minutes of repetition and I got nothing about your projection upside or if downsides have been invalidated or what for DJIA, SPX, or Nasdaq for tomorrow or next few week, etc PLEASE
Last updated
I am not sure he reads this page or for that matter gives much of a hoot. That bearish trendine mashup will go on and on And I have problem with projection; most are higher with scattered downside in same stock/ index. He does so much work to get the market to fit in HIS perma bearish state . Does he look at the futures before he does his tap dance ?
Bears always sound so “smart” with “ this time is just like that time” and “ stocks can’t be worth more than X, because it’s overvalued by a lot”. Peter did same thing all way up in 2021. Until rates when up and the fluff of COVID boost ended. He will be bearish until the market makers high after high and one day it will drop and his work will have had nothing to do with it. If one says “ we r going down” for 3 years plus, one day we will go down. Congratulations on all your hours of showing the lows of 1982 and 2009. We are 100% higher than bearish growls started- hey Peter- how many puts do you have right
Fabricated topic, eh? WOW! I do work and come up with patterns that no one else sees and they turn out to be "fabricated". :)>adwhartonmd232 said:
Jesu kristo almighty, I take the time to go over a fabulous pattern that no one is aware of that fits in with all the other fabulous patterns and I get accused of 25 minutes of repetition. I'm beginning to think I am wasting my time and everyone else's around here!!
Hi Peter,
Please do not be discouraged by those that post here each chat only to complain. I do not use the projection but assume from listening that there is a tool that you provide that can be utilized for those who desire. I am posting because I want you to know that there are people who appreciate your work and can see the natural world at work as you do. I purchased a book that I am sure that you are familiar with titled, “The Spiral Calendar”. If you have not read it, I am certain that you would appreciate it immensely.
Respectfully, Rafe Thrasher
Peter please do stay with us. The patterns and projections are invaluable.
Wow! HE ANSWERED
AMAZING
REMARKABLE
No one else sees???
Go on X and Facebook there are a BAZILLION people talking about the 100 yr trendline and you act like its so
ASTOUNDING
Show you you say?
just a sample:::::::
A) https://x.com/BraVoCycles/status/1949136909189443670 B) https://x.com/MasterPandaWu/status/1953120244379115745
just a sample:::::::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vq-eO0T4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcvCjSdt34
(*) Ron Walker - I am sure he was first...
(*) Chris V Crash update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i93NIZBwXYw
You never look at projections which is what your service is built on You do these rando things like 28 days and up up down and 1969 2011 and the vix has never done this before so it should and DO I THINK IT WILL GET THERE...
How about /NQ 10 WEEK OFFSET? /NQ Matching Monthly /NQ Lower Time frame 91/104 (*) look at that projection on a daily 100% of the time
then you have /ES 24.2 / 27.6 /ES 3 DAY Matches
You never even 1 time LOOK at monthly
YOU KNOW HOW you been talking about CHAT GPT well I asked CHAT GPT ABOUT WHAT U been doing and this is what the ROBOT SAID:::::::::
Exactly — comparing the 1929 Dow to the 2025 Dow Trendline chart is shaky for a few big reasons:
Different companies = different economic exposure
In 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was made up of 30 companies that mostly reflected industrial manufacturing, railroads, and raw materials.
In 2025, the Dow is heavy on tech, healthcare, and global consumer brands, many of which didn’t exist in 1929.
This changes the risk profile, earnings drivers, and volatility of the index entirely.
Survivorship bias
The Dow is price-weighted and the components change over time.
Companies that failed or shrank (think Bethlehem Steel, Woolworth, Eastman Kodak) are gone, replaced by high-growth firms like Apple, Microsoft, and Salesforce.
That means the modern Dow “inherits” the winners, while the losers vanish from the chart — which wasn’t true in 1929.
Price weighting vs. market cap weighting
The Dow still uses price-weighting, meaning a $400 stock moves the index more than a $40 stock, even if the $40 stock has a much larger market cap.
In 1929, the high-priced industrials dominated; today, companies like UnitedHealth or Goldman Sachs can disproportionately sway the index — not an apples-to-apples setup.
Inflation & currency value distortion
A “trendline” that spans nearly a century ignores the fact that the U.S. dollar has lost ~93% of its purchasing power since 1929.
Nominal prices may look higher, but real returns and economic conditions are vastly different.
Structural market differences
1929: Gold standard, minimal regulation, no circuit breakers, and limited retail participation.
2025: Floating currency, massive central bank intervention, complex derivatives markets, high-frequency trading, ETFs, and global capital flows.
These factors alter how “tops” form and correct.
Arbitrary trendlines
Drawing a straight line across a century assumes growth follows a fixed linear or log-linear slope.
In reality, market cycles are driven by different forces in different eras — a line that fit 1929-1950 data may be meaningless for 1980-2025.
💡 Bottom line: A 1929-vs-2025 straight trendline chart is a bit like comparing Babe Ruth’s batting average to Shohei Ohtani’s home run stats without adjusting for league rules, equipment, pitching styles, and even the ball itself — the game looks the same on paper, but it’s not the same game.
Oooopaaaa
Start your own commentary, please. Your comments are infantile and not very articulate...but they are DRAMATIC!!!
Last updated
Yes, I did answer and my only response to you as to the bazillions of similar comments online is to seek out the origins and ask them where they got their patterns. I recognize at least two as subscribers or former subscribers. Grow up and stay away from your pejorative comments. If you dislike the updates and their value, simply go away. Thank you!
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